1 00:00:05,679 --> 00:00:08,520 Previously on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,240 My mom's moved in with me. Gwen and Gwen's boyfriend is here. 3 00:00:12,740 --> 00:00:16,020 I'm like running like a youth hospital and an elderly hospital. 4 00:00:16,620 --> 00:00:20,120 My mom just had a big surgery in December. 5 00:00:20,460 --> 00:00:22,840 There's only a certain percentage of recovery here. 6 00:00:23,100 --> 00:00:24,480 Make peace with that relationship. 7 00:00:25,490 --> 00:00:29,630 What I witnessed on the plane, Meredith started going for Brittany. And Lisa was 8 00:00:29,630 --> 00:00:34,310 in her ear just pouring fuel on the fire. This thing spun into something 9 00:00:34,310 --> 00:00:38,230 not. I vented to a friend. I didn't even say. It's not spun into something. Was 10 00:00:38,230 --> 00:00:39,270 it Meredith? I was there. 11 00:00:39,610 --> 00:00:44,510 It might take all of us saying that's not what happened. 12 00:00:45,090 --> 00:00:46,970 Hello. Hi. Oh, God. 13 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,459 You ready for lunch? Me too. 14 00:01:05,820 --> 00:01:07,440 I'm getting here. 15 00:01:08,380 --> 00:01:09,380 Bye, fly. 16 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,340 Mary's church service was beautiful. 17 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,020 It's so nice, so beautiful. 18 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:26,520 When we first got to the church, I felt like everyone's energy was off. 19 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,040 Well, it was like that when we walked up. Yeah, it's weird. I mean, they were 20 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,480 like, why are you here, basically? 21 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,960 They come in, they're all smiles, nothing's happened, nothing's gone 22 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,940 Them showing up so fake like nothing happened, that makes me even more 23 00:01:40,940 --> 00:01:41,940 uncomfortable. 24 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,600 I know. What do you think is going to happen at lunch now? I think that 25 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,400 going to spin it and make it someone else's fault. 26 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,560 It's going to be all of our fault. 27 00:01:51,980 --> 00:01:53,100 Hi, guys. 28 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,920 Hey. Thank you. 29 00:01:56,910 --> 00:01:57,910 Mary. 30 00:01:58,090 --> 00:01:59,090 Welcome, darling. 31 00:02:00,050 --> 00:02:02,170 Congratulations. This is so elegant. 32 00:02:02,690 --> 00:02:05,970 Your outfit is so beautiful. Oh, my God. Thank you. 33 00:02:06,250 --> 00:02:09,050 After the plane ride, everyone is not forgiving. 34 00:02:09,370 --> 00:02:10,690 Everyone is not healed. 35 00:02:11,350 --> 00:02:12,710 So, Lord, help us all. 36 00:02:13,290 --> 00:02:15,070 Everyone in your church is so welcoming. 37 00:02:15,370 --> 00:02:17,650 Like, I feel like that's what our church is built on, is love. 38 00:02:17,930 --> 00:02:19,190 Hi. Broadway. 39 00:02:21,260 --> 00:02:22,680 Oh, Mary, thank you. 40 00:02:23,380 --> 00:02:28,420 Oh, yeah. I ran right to you. Sorry. Don't hurry on. Of course it is. Of 41 00:02:28,420 --> 00:02:29,880 it is. Thank you. Cheers. 42 00:02:30,260 --> 00:02:33,780 What a beautiful service. It was unbelievable. Thank you, Mary. 43 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:35,280 Hello, gentlemen. 44 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,380 Hello. Hello. Hi, guys. Hello. 45 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:38,800 You were in your element. 46 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Hi. 47 00:02:41,620 --> 00:02:42,620 Welcome. 48 00:02:42,940 --> 00:02:46,020 Hi. First lady of St. 49 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,220 Pentecostal. It was so beautiful and wonderful. 50 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,560 Thank you for coming. I love the baby. 51 00:02:51,050 --> 00:02:53,250 This one might not be okay. Oh, he's moving. 52 00:02:53,910 --> 00:02:55,930 He's a snooze fast. We'll give that one to Meredith. 53 00:02:58,130 --> 00:02:59,109 Oh, hello. 54 00:02:59,110 --> 00:03:02,390 Hey, guys. You guys look so good. Everybody looks fabulous. 55 00:03:03,570 --> 00:03:04,790 Hello. Oh, 56 00:03:05,510 --> 00:03:06,510 your guests are here. 57 00:03:06,750 --> 00:03:09,730 Hello. How are you, Mary? That was amazing. Thank you. 58 00:03:10,690 --> 00:03:12,050 Your guests are here. 59 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,440 What is wrong with you? I felt your whole heart. I loved it. Oh, thank you. 60 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,440 sweet. 61 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,080 I have a highway. 62 00:03:19,540 --> 00:03:22,160 Okay. And there's data fish, Lisa. 63 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:23,279 Wait, where? 64 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,280 They're over there. 65 00:03:24,540 --> 00:03:25,540 Oh. There you go. 66 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,620 Oh, my gosh. Are you kidding? 67 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:28,980 Do I get to go home with the fish? 68 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:36,140 A goody bag is usually a gift for me, not a responsibility for me. I mean, the 69 00:03:36,140 --> 00:03:39,120 more the merrier. I'm an empty nest, which doesn't mean I can't care for a 70 00:03:39,710 --> 00:03:43,530 These fish, they kill each other, so you have to separate them. They're fighting 71 00:03:43,530 --> 00:03:45,450 fish, just like my friends. 72 00:03:46,450 --> 00:03:47,450 Should we get seated? 73 00:03:52,650 --> 00:03:59,470 So this is the Dom Perignon 74 00:03:59,470 --> 00:04:03,410 2006. Yes, it is. Oh, my goodness. Should we do a cheer? Should I be 75 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:05,730 the tears of the deceased that made it happen? 76 00:04:06,090 --> 00:04:07,170 Not the tears of the deceased. 77 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,380 You guys are drinking down there. You're on 2003. 78 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:16,220 In 2003, it was a heat wave. 5 ,600 people died, and it made the best grapes 79 00:04:16,220 --> 00:04:17,220 all time. 80 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:21,060 Oh, thank you so much. 81 00:04:24,860 --> 00:04:31,520 So I invited you all because this was an important day, and I felt 82 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,760 like I needed a group around me of... 83 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,100 I feel like real friendship. If you notice, the one's not here, which is 84 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:45,260 Brittany. And I did let her know why she wasn't invited. 85 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:52,840 I just want you to know that I'm having my event today, and I did not invite 86 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:58,080 you because you told me that I was the most ungodly person that you've ever 87 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:04,960 Okay. You are the least Christ -like person I have ever met in my entire 88 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,220 I meant it. I thought in the moment because I felt like you were super mean 89 00:05:09,220 --> 00:05:13,960 God wouldn't be mean to people. But it was a really terrible thing to say. And 90 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:14,960 I'm sorry. 91 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,100 I appreciate that. 92 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,680 She did apologize, which shocked me. And she meant it. 93 00:05:20,940 --> 00:05:25,860 She meant it. And I just about hit the floor. I looked at my dog and I was 94 00:05:25,900 --> 00:05:29,620 should I invite her? Do you think that I should invite her? 95 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:34,660 I'm like, give me a paw if I should just change my mind and invite her. 96 00:05:37,510 --> 00:05:40,290 No. But he didn't give me a possible. She's not here. 97 00:05:43,310 --> 00:05:44,310 Okay. 98 00:05:45,150 --> 00:05:47,510 And I feel like if he can apologize, 99 00:05:47,710 --> 00:05:54,290 we should be able to come together 100 00:05:54,290 --> 00:05:59,710 and understand each other, understand why we're hurt, understand, you know, 101 00:05:59,710 --> 00:06:02,470 really happened or what didn't happen, and just apologize. 102 00:06:05,190 --> 00:06:06,350 And say, you know what? 103 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:10,420 I'm sorry if that offended you or I'm sorry. Oh, my gosh. That's a magical 104 00:06:10,420 --> 00:06:13,860 sentence. Are you listening, Lisa? Are you listening to what Mary's saying? Are 105 00:06:13,860 --> 00:06:15,480 you listening to what Mary's saying? 106 00:06:15,980 --> 00:06:16,980 Is this a fight? 107 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,620 I talked to Lisa about it, but there was no I'm sorry said. And you didn't say 108 00:06:20,620 --> 00:06:23,680 I'm sorry to me. And I was trying to tell you I was deeply offended. 109 00:06:24,020 --> 00:06:25,060 What was you hurt about? 110 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:33,120 Well, I was hurt that like this really great, amazing trip ended up in Brittany 111 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,180 being like corralled off a plane. 112 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,620 By us sobbing. 113 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:40,500 She can't even stand Brittany. 114 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,920 And she can't stand Brittany. And they were caressing her and helping her. It 115 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,040 was a very intense, horrible situation. 116 00:06:49,300 --> 00:06:51,420 And, like, you both are like, nothing happened. 117 00:06:52,020 --> 00:06:54,800 She's crazy. And, like, you're crazy. I didn't say nothing happened. 118 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,680 I did nothing to Brittany. I don't agree with what she said. And I'm not going 119 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,100 to be held responsible for what she said. I'm paraphrasing. We never 120 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:04,120 what even happened. 121 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:11,380 Okay, tell me what happened that warranted our trip ending with one of 122 00:07:11,380 --> 00:07:15,100 friends, like, never wanting to be in the same room as you or you again. She 123 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:20,240 holds both of you equally accountable. Well, that's weird. I was reacting to 124 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:27,020 very malicious actions, and the reaction was not right time, not right place. I 125 00:07:27,020 --> 00:07:29,880 mean, girl, it was much more than wrong place, wrong time. 126 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,400 I'm Meredith's friend, and I feel like Meredith was beyond upset. 127 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,260 I was upset on the plane, venting to my friend, crying. Yeah, she was crying. 128 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,180 Well, because what we all witnessed was different. It was like you were taunting 129 00:07:43,180 --> 00:07:47,540 Brittany and calling her name. She didn't try to. It was all, like, to me. 130 00:07:47,540 --> 00:07:49,960 was in earshot so that Brittany could hear it. It was all to me. 131 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,020 Everything she said was to me. She had over -the -ear headphones and a movie or 132 00:07:55,020 --> 00:07:56,840 something on. And she could still hear you. 133 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,620 Meredith was absolutely diabolical on the airplane. 134 00:07:59,940 --> 00:08:02,420 There would be brief moments of peace. 135 00:08:03,020 --> 00:08:06,020 And then it would slowly pick up again, and it would kind of crescendo. 136 00:08:06,220 --> 00:08:10,580 She has ranges of emotion and tone and volume. We were in the disgusting and 137 00:08:10,580 --> 00:08:12,620 vile range for a solid two hours. 138 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,720 You are vile! You utterly disgust me! 139 00:08:16,940 --> 00:08:22,760 The fact that these girls exacerbated this into something that it wasn't is 140 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:23,760 of bullshit. 141 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,920 I vented on a plane to a friend for... 142 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,100 maybe 30 minutes, and suddenly I'm the bad guy? 143 00:08:33,380 --> 00:08:37,860 We were there, we heard it, and we were present. And if all of us are saying 144 00:08:37,860 --> 00:08:42,039 what we heard and it's all lining up against what she said that she actually 145 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:45,360 did, then here we are. 146 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,220 Brittany's hair was wet. We took care of Brittany after the fight because she 147 00:08:49,220 --> 00:08:52,940 was hyperventilating, sobbing because she was terrorized for five hours. Oh, 148 00:08:52,940 --> 00:08:56,880 gosh. Okay, well, I slept and watched two movies, so it was not five hours. 149 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,920 again. What movies did you watch? 150 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,140 I watched Crazy Rich Asians because we had the same thing. Yeah, Crazy Rich 151 00:09:03,140 --> 00:09:06,820 Asians and one other movie I don't recall the name of. 152 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:12,020 Then what happened at the end of Crazy Rich Asians? 153 00:09:12,740 --> 00:09:16,780 What? Are we really doing this? I don't remember. You think I remember? 154 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:21,420 Well, I usually remember movies I watch. Do you? Crazy Rich Asians has a big 155 00:09:21,420 --> 00:09:25,400 ending. It's a big moment. You'll remember. Think of it. I honestly don't 156 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,660 remember. Did you watch it? I did. 157 00:09:28,330 --> 00:09:29,330 How does it end? How does it end? 158 00:09:29,650 --> 00:09:36,230 He goes on the plane and he, like, stops everyone 159 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:40,470 and, like, is like, I want to marry you. I was going to do it by a pond or 160 00:09:40,470 --> 00:09:45,990 something. And then that didn't happen. And then they have, like, a big party 161 00:09:45,990 --> 00:09:46,809 for them. 162 00:09:46,810 --> 00:09:47,810 Is it good? 163 00:09:47,850 --> 00:09:49,390 And were there synchronized swimmers? 164 00:09:49,710 --> 00:09:54,730 No. I obviously fell asleep before the end because I didn't see that part. 165 00:09:55,030 --> 00:09:56,030 Were you sleep talking? 166 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,420 No, I was not. Because I was awake the entire flight and I could hear you the 167 00:10:00,420 --> 00:10:01,420 entire flight. 168 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:06,720 Well, that's impossible. 169 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:09,000 I heard you yelling back there. 170 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,680 Five rows in front of you and I heard you yelling. It's not true. 171 00:10:13,620 --> 00:10:18,200 She was sobbing because of what you were saying about her. You were screaming, 172 00:10:18,380 --> 00:10:19,720 screaming horrific things. I was not screaming. 173 00:10:20,820 --> 00:10:22,840 And we all saw the same thing, Meredith. 174 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,260 You lost it. 175 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,760 I think Meredith has the right to, like, lose her... Sometimes, I think, not to 176 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,520 be friends. No, you know what? Sometimes with friends, and you can't hold your 177 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,380 emotions in. Okay, so it's unforgivable from Heather. 178 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,020 Move on, move on. Everybody requires an apology. 179 00:10:37,420 --> 00:10:39,860 Do you feel bad that Brittany is upset? 180 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,860 I already told her I feel bad that she's upset. You don't feel bad that 181 00:10:41,860 --> 00:10:44,900 Brittany's upset. I already told you. I feel badly that I hurt Brittany's 182 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:49,200 feelings. Unfortunately, Brittany does not feel badly at all that she hurt my 183 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:50,200 feelings. 184 00:10:53,069 --> 00:10:58,090 So, there's nowhere to go, and at the end of the day, she doesn't like me, and 185 00:10:58,090 --> 00:11:01,830 don't like her. We don't need to be friends. Everyone can move on. Feeling 186 00:11:01,830 --> 00:11:05,170 is different from sorry. Are you sorry you hurt her feelings? 187 00:11:05,610 --> 00:11:11,390 I'm sorry that she heard me venting and it hurt her. Yes, I am. Okay. But I'm 188 00:11:11,390 --> 00:11:15,270 entitled to my feelings. You are. You are. Yeah, but Meredith, you lost the 189 00:11:15,270 --> 00:11:17,950 right to cry when you guys harassed her on the plane. 190 00:11:22,380 --> 00:11:24,120 I lost the right to my feelings. 191 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:27,700 You lost the privilege to speak about it. 192 00:11:27,940 --> 00:11:31,760 Okay, well, then that's great. Look at me. So stop talking to me then. 193 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,200 A little more. 194 00:11:33,740 --> 00:11:34,740 A little more. 195 00:11:35,100 --> 00:11:36,440 Thank you. 196 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,160 You told me I lost my privilege to speak. Okay, so hang me on the four 197 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,100 said because I'll explain why I said those words. 198 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,100 I said them because I felt like we got on the plane having your back. 199 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:54,900 And whatever happened on the plane swapped that right on its head. And it 200 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:57,980 to you and Lisa looking like bullies. 201 00:11:58,820 --> 00:12:02,940 You were mad. You were telling us all to take notes. And you left the plane and 202 00:12:02,940 --> 00:12:03,940 you left the plane. 203 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,900 And you guys did not seem upset at all. Brittany, however, had to be like 204 00:12:07,900 --> 00:12:11,980 physically carried through customs by us. So for me to say you lost your 205 00:12:11,980 --> 00:12:14,900 privilege to hang your hat on the victim, you did. 206 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,740 Because whatever happened on the plane. 207 00:12:17,340 --> 00:12:19,120 Tipped the scales, and you're in the wrong. 208 00:12:32,780 --> 00:12:36,220 Whatever happened on the plane, tipped the scales, and you're in the wrong. 209 00:12:47,130 --> 00:12:51,450 I lost my privilege to speak, so I won't speak. That's fine. 210 00:12:52,010 --> 00:12:57,070 For Heather not to give me benefit of the doubt and a little bit of grace is 211 00:12:57,070 --> 00:12:58,070 actually shocking. 212 00:12:58,170 --> 00:13:01,330 She should just be a human being and not a judgmental bitch. 213 00:13:02,410 --> 00:13:06,190 It is okay for you to be upset. Thank you. 214 00:13:06,730 --> 00:13:10,990 So, Lisa, had I treated you like that on the plane, would you have thought that 215 00:13:10,990 --> 00:13:14,210 was okay? I think she felt like, holy, that was a... 216 00:13:14,810 --> 00:13:18,310 Nightmare, and I don't know how I'm going to navigate my way out of this. I 217 00:13:18,310 --> 00:13:20,570 not feel that at all. Why didn't you go through customs with that? 218 00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:28,630 I actually have global entry and should have used it. 219 00:13:32,110 --> 00:13:34,830 Wait, you have global entry? I didn't realize that. 220 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:39,260 I was like, it's not on my app or anything, so I didn't realize it. It 221 00:13:39,260 --> 00:13:40,580 my ticket. I don't know why. 222 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:45,780 I like this lie because it's so obvious that she's lying. You don't add global 223 00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:48,840 entry to your ticket. Global entry is something that you have. 224 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,020 You're identified as this person. It's not like TSA pre -check on your ticket. 225 00:13:54,340 --> 00:13:56,420 It's not something that you forget to add. 226 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,800 It's something that you don't have, Lisa. 227 00:13:59,370 --> 00:14:01,710 Like, why didn't you use it? You did not use it to stay back with Brittany. I 228 00:14:01,710 --> 00:14:04,390 didn't realize until I was in the line. But then you stayed in the line by 229 00:14:04,390 --> 00:14:06,350 yourself for five hours and didn't use it? 230 00:14:09,190 --> 00:14:10,190 Don't worry about it. 231 00:14:10,390 --> 00:14:12,030 Why didn't you stay by Brittany, though? 232 00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:17,290 I needed space. I had my AirPods in, and I was listening to Kendrick Lamar. Not 233 00:14:17,290 --> 00:14:19,570 Kendrick. The way I was telling you, I do love Kendrick. 234 00:14:20,110 --> 00:14:25,290 I'm a Kendrick girl. Lisa, we were all there. I can't imagine having to sit 235 00:14:25,290 --> 00:14:28,310 to Meredith in that moment of rage. 236 00:14:32,329 --> 00:14:33,590 I'm not attacking you. 237 00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:37,950 I don't think you are. I'm really not. I love you. I care about you. 238 00:14:38,330 --> 00:14:39,970 And, you know, you were hurt. 239 00:14:40,250 --> 00:14:41,250 And I know that. 240 00:14:42,810 --> 00:14:45,070 I didn't have a lot of support at that point. 241 00:14:46,350 --> 00:14:47,610 Meredith, we love you. 242 00:14:48,150 --> 00:14:49,250 We support you. 243 00:14:50,350 --> 00:14:52,230 I supported you in that moment. 244 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,040 I did not like what Brittany did to you, and I think everyone would agree. 245 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,940 Meredith, I mean, you basically said to me, if I pick Brittany and side with 246 00:15:00,940 --> 00:15:04,160 Brittany when you're hurting, we're done. I don't want to feel like that 247 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,160 you. I didn't say we're done. 248 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,320 I said it was noted. 249 00:15:06,580 --> 00:15:09,520 But that's exactly what Brittany said to you. Like, if you're going to side with 250 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,360 Meredith... I didn't threaten you. 251 00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:16,460 I just said I'm aware of that. Okay, I see it. You're going to side with 252 00:15:16,460 --> 00:15:17,460 Brittany. It's noted. 253 00:15:17,860 --> 00:15:20,120 That's not what was said to Lisa. Lisa was threatened. 254 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,060 She said, I'm going to come for you if you don't agree with me. No, she said, 255 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:25,560 I'm going to have a problem with you if you don't agree with me. But you did 256 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,380 say... That's not how Brittany speaks, first of all. One thing you did say in a 257 00:15:28,380 --> 00:15:33,360 very classy way was like... In a classy way? No, no, no. She basically said it's 258 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:34,360 you or Brittany. 259 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,860 To her, you did say that. I did not say that. 260 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,200 Thank you. Okay, thank you. Yeah. I did not say that. 261 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,260 Did it ever occur to you that maybe some of the things your friends are saying 262 00:15:45,260 --> 00:15:49,200 did come out of your mouth because you were emotional and that's okay? I know 263 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:54,960 what I said. Well, why does Mary, Heather, and Whitney have the same story 264 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,220 then you have a different story? The only thing they're saying is that I 265 00:15:59,220 --> 00:16:02,040 Whitney for the TikTok. Why don't we stop playing the game of Clue and just 266 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,040 hey, they didn't like your behavior. 267 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,820 They didn't like that you were upset. That's the bottom line. It is. But you 268 00:16:07,820 --> 00:16:08,819 not stop. 269 00:16:08,820 --> 00:16:13,020 You didn't. And I don't know that you don't remember. The fact that you don't 270 00:16:13,020 --> 00:16:14,940 remember concerns me. It really does. 271 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,320 I do remember. 272 00:16:16,340 --> 00:16:20,220 Yeah. I do remember. I got on the plane. I vented to Lisa for a little bit. I 273 00:16:20,220 --> 00:16:24,380 put on a movie. I fell asleep. I woke up. No, I was venting to a friend. I 274 00:16:24,380 --> 00:16:26,800 know if you remember everything, though. I really don't. 275 00:16:27,140 --> 00:16:30,540 I'm not going to go back and forth on all this. I remember everything. 276 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,240 But they remember what you're saying behind my back. So let's not go there, 277 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,320 Whitney. 278 00:16:38,420 --> 00:16:40,160 She's not saying anything behind your back. 279 00:16:41,710 --> 00:16:45,270 I have not said anything behind your back except for voicing my concern about 280 00:16:45,270 --> 00:16:46,029 the situation. 281 00:16:46,030 --> 00:16:50,310 I guess I have misinformation, perhaps. You know, there's one person that I 282 00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:53,730 talked to who said something to Meredith. 283 00:16:55,630 --> 00:16:56,549 Uh -oh. 284 00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:57,550 I'll tell you. 285 00:16:58,530 --> 00:17:00,110 If Meredith doesn't want to, I will. 286 00:17:01,350 --> 00:17:04,930 You and I had lunch, and I talked to Meredith, and I said, what happened on 287 00:17:04,930 --> 00:17:05,930 plane? 288 00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:10,180 She told me her side, and I said, well, it's being told to me that they saw you 289 00:17:10,180 --> 00:17:12,680 drinking in the club before you got on the plane. 290 00:17:13,740 --> 00:17:15,940 Did you see her drinking at the airport or on the plane? 291 00:17:16,140 --> 00:17:17,700 Yeah, in the airport lounge. 292 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,579 Drinking on the plane, and it's being said that maybe you don't remember what 293 00:17:22,579 --> 00:17:28,000 you said, what you did. She told me she watched a movie, she went to sleep. Do 294 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,000 you not remember? 295 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,040 Do you black out? 296 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,880 I do not have a substance abuse problem. I haven't even said that. And, Bronwyn? 297 00:17:35,420 --> 00:17:38,360 What were the implications that you walked away from the conversation? You 298 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:39,880 drinking heavily and you didn't remember. 299 00:17:44,460 --> 00:17:46,060 Do you want to know how I felt? I'll tell you. 300 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:48,220 I think it could be of three things, okay? 301 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,200 So either you have hatred in your heart. 302 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:54,720 You have an anger problem. 303 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,120 I don't have an anger problem. Or you have a problem mixing substances. 304 00:17:59,340 --> 00:18:04,280 Do you think it's fair that based on what I witnessed, I would assume those 305 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,640 three things. No, because what you're saying you witnessed, I don't believe, 306 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:08,640 you're a known liar. 307 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,820 Look, I think it sounds like you were wrong on the plane. 308 00:18:12,340 --> 00:18:15,640 I've tried to be supportive of you. I've tried to ask a lot of questions, and I 309 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,460 tried to have your back because I thought that was a step too far. And I 310 00:18:18,460 --> 00:18:19,459 appreciate that. 311 00:18:19,460 --> 00:18:21,220 But then you outed it at this table. 312 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:23,920 No, I gave her a chance to tell me herself, and she didn't. 313 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:25,620 I never said a word. 314 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:28,700 I never said what it was, and I never said who said it. 315 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,160 Now I've damaged my relationship with Whitney trying to help you. You do 316 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,640 you were wrong, right? 317 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,200 I mean, you feel like you were wrong. I was reacting to her behavior. 318 00:18:43,060 --> 00:18:47,200 What more is it you want from me? I don't know what I'm going to do with 319 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,480 Brittany. So that's all I can say for now. You don't have to have the answer, 320 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:52,560 you know? Yeah. 321 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:09,680 I'm not my coordination. 322 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,680 You get it. That's it. Yeah, yeah. 323 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:13,840 Pull it. 324 00:19:17,340 --> 00:19:23,520 Pull it like your life depends on it. If you can talk, that means you're not 325 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,320 working out hard enough. I don't agree with that. 326 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,040 You're skiing. 327 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,200 You're going down a mountain. 328 00:19:30,060 --> 00:19:32,240 The snow is hitting you in the face. There you go. 329 00:19:32,780 --> 00:19:33,940 You're just belching out the sun. 330 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,580 Okay. Okay. 331 00:19:39,980 --> 00:19:44,720 On the top shelf there is like a pink, what is that called? 332 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,560 A whisk. A whisk, yeah, thank you. 333 00:19:46,980 --> 00:19:51,040 I was emailing this morning with my attorney about my citizenship. 334 00:19:51,420 --> 00:19:52,560 Oh, what's happening with that? 335 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,900 Surprise! I am not actually an American citizen. 336 00:19:56,120 --> 00:20:01,040 I was born in Brazil, and my parents are from the UK, so I had dual citizenship 337 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:01,819 in both. 338 00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:05,760 And a few years ago, I decided I wanted to become a U .S. citizen and get to 339 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,180 vote, and honestly, I might be the only person in America excited about jury 340 00:20:09,180 --> 00:20:13,240 duty. I have an outfit in mind. I'm very ready to do my duty. 341 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,240 My siblings were all born here. They all got their U .S. passports 342 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,940 automatically. And then we had an oops. 343 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,140 You can't call me an oops to my face. 344 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:28,840 Hi. What do you think of the office? 345 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,800 You guys haven't seen it yet, have you? 346 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:32,200 Brand new office. 347 00:20:32,780 --> 00:20:36,300 I know. I've been working hard on it. When did you get all this stuff? Where 348 00:20:36,300 --> 00:20:36,959 it from? 349 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,460 I ordered it all from Wayfair, all from the same place. 350 00:20:39,660 --> 00:20:40,900 Sit in the chairs. They swivel. 351 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,400 I can hardly recognize my life right now. 352 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,200 I lived in this small home for 20 years, raised my kids there. 353 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,480 Yeah, do a passe. 354 00:20:48,980 --> 00:20:50,220 Oh, hit it. 355 00:20:50,900 --> 00:20:53,300 Now I have this huge house. 356 00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:58,300 With my own office, with a pool, and three daughters going to college. So I 357 00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:00,460 be here and I can be watching my bird. 358 00:21:00,820 --> 00:21:02,840 Wait, are you using bird glasses right now? 359 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,360 Well, they're not bird glasses. They're called binoculars. 360 00:21:05,980 --> 00:21:12,740 And it's totally rewarding and fulfilling in a way that I never 361 00:21:12,740 --> 00:21:16,720 imagined. But I also noticed that the binoculars work on the pool boys. 362 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,320 Oh! There's something about manual labor that just... It's fascinating. 363 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,340 You are fascinated by this. 364 00:21:23,660 --> 00:21:27,220 Didn't pool boys be in swimsuits? Like overage for a pool boy. Oh, yeah. 365 00:21:27,580 --> 00:21:28,740 Well, he's a pool man. 366 00:21:48,380 --> 00:21:49,380 Hey, Mayor. 367 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,120 Hi. Oh, you have it all ready for me. I love this. 368 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,560 I have had the craziest work day. Is there someone that can do my nail while 369 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,379 here, too? 370 00:21:58,380 --> 00:22:01,780 I broke one yesterday, and it's driving me nuts. 371 00:22:02,060 --> 00:22:07,800 I am so busy with work and slam and all this nonsense with everyone from the 372 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,360 lunch. I literally am like, what was that? I know. Weird. 373 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,420 I was the most surprised by Heather. 374 00:22:14,780 --> 00:22:18,820 Mm -hmm. I don't expect her to take my side, but I expect it a little bit. 375 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:24,400 Support as a friend. I felt like she was leading the charge against me. She had 376 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,780 the biggest problem. Me and you, yeah. She was a judge and jury. That was 377 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,380 but quite frankly, not as big of an issue to me as Whitney. 378 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:39,360 Why is she sitting there trying to judge my mental health and my 379 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:44,620 drinking? These are damaging false rumors to spread about somebody. When 380 00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:46,440 Whitney get a degree in psych? 381 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,180 Is she a psychologist now? For a woman who's on every journey under the sun 382 00:22:51,180 --> 00:22:57,460 killing to religion to whatever, I think she could focus on herself. 383 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,720 Like, why is she focusing on me? 384 00:23:00,180 --> 00:23:02,160 How do you plan to move forward with Whitney? 385 00:23:02,660 --> 00:23:03,660 I don't. 386 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:10,120 It seems to me like they're trying to exacerbate the situation with Brittany. 387 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:12,280 had a conversation with Brittany. I met up with Brittany. 388 00:23:12,780 --> 00:23:14,200 Oh, how did that go? 389 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:21,050 She... emotionally feels like she experienced a lot so 390 00:23:21,050 --> 00:23:26,070 we really haven't talked since the trip what i've been hearing which is that you 391 00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:29,030 don't feel like you contributed i don't 392 00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:35,240 I feel like you were absolutely as complicit as the person accosting me. 393 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,900 think your recollection of what happened on the flight is inaccurate. 394 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,120 How? I feel like I was helping you out, whether you want to believe it or not. 395 00:23:42,260 --> 00:23:46,760 It was literally like the sixth worst thing that has ever happened to me in my 396 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:47,760 entire life. 397 00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:51,720 Is there anything that you can actually say? 398 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,500 I'm sorry, Brittany, for not dot, dot, dot. But I did apologize to you. 399 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,680 I feel badly that you didn't feel like I was supporting you when I felt like I 400 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,680 was. 401 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,260 I feel like we're in a good space. 402 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,640 We're never going to agree on what happened on the plane. That's never 403 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,120 happen. But I do feel bad that our feelings were hurt. Here's the thing, 404 00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:16,360 As far as it goes with Brittany, I'm sorry for her. 405 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,700 Yeah. I feel sorry for her as a human being, period. 406 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:24,560 And that's why I'm just going to be the bigger person and move on. Has she been 407 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,260 horrible to me? Yes. Yes. 408 00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:29,360 But do I feel sorry for Brittany that she can't hold a relationship? 409 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,760 She's, you know, struggles professionally. 410 00:24:32,020 --> 00:24:34,780 One hundred percent. It's kind of like just a sad specimen. 411 00:24:34,980 --> 00:24:38,200 She was asking me how you feel. And I said, I think you should talk to 412 00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:40,420 Thank you. I'm happy to talk to Brittany. 413 00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:03,380 Call Heather Gay. 414 00:25:04,860 --> 00:25:06,680 What's up, babe? I'm on my way. 415 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:07,880 Do you have a truck? 416 00:25:08,060 --> 00:25:12,360 It's so big, so I need you to come out in your driveway and help guide me in, 417 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,400 okay? 418 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,320 Pull straight. 419 00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:24,419 Towards you? 420 00:25:24,420 --> 00:25:25,420 Yeah, pull straight. 421 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,680 I can back up, too. 422 00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:29,180 No, we're clear. Just go fast. 423 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,300 Why fast? Keep going. Fast, fast, fast. 424 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,160 Faster, faster. 425 00:25:34,420 --> 00:25:35,760 Wait, don't hit the mailbox. Stop. 426 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,620 Back it up. And then perfect. 427 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,040 Stop. 428 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:42,060 Stop. Are we going to the funeral? 429 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:43,860 Yeah, the funeral of the mattress. 430 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,040 I did not want to keep my marital mattress for 20 years because of some 431 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,200 sentimental feeling. 432 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,180 I was just frozen in time. 433 00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:55,640 And it's starting to rain, which I think is appropriate. 434 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,220 Tears from heaven. It's cleansing. 435 00:25:58,830 --> 00:26:03,610 Look, this is not a mattress tossing. This is a funeral. Let's do this. Okay. 436 00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:07,550 It's a funeral for the life that is now gone forever. 437 00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:10,390 I think I just broke the box springs with my heels. 438 00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:14,670 You're aerating the box spring. It's going to pierce. I've got to get the 439 00:26:14,670 --> 00:26:15,670 off. Give me some balance. 440 00:26:15,910 --> 00:26:17,090 Oh, my gosh. Don't look at me. 441 00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:21,790 Let's turn it around so that the stained sides are not on the camera. 442 00:26:22,350 --> 00:26:24,350 Okay. Turn it this way. 443 00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:26,510 Look away. 444 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,820 More than a few men on here. And a few chickens. Okay, rest assured, these are 445 00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:37,000 not sex stains, okay? 446 00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:38,300 We got momentum! 447 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,600 Not one sperm was spilt on the mattress. 448 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:43,220 Go way low, Whitney. 449 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,500 Whoa! God does not like waste, and I was a good Mormon. 450 00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:53,800 This mattress went from our very first apartment in Huntington Beach to our 451 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,800 first house for 20 years, and then to this house. 452 00:26:57,020 --> 00:26:58,280 This wrote two books. 453 00:26:58,620 --> 00:26:59,880 This bore three babies. 454 00:27:00,970 --> 00:27:02,950 This lived 14 years of marriage. 455 00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:05,610 Yeah, I saw it. And now it's time. 456 00:27:05,950 --> 00:27:10,050 Time. For something new. I'm sure there's a metaphor somewhere in there, 457 00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:12,210 like, I'm keeping my expectations low. 458 00:27:12,530 --> 00:27:13,489 Do you have the address? 459 00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:18,650 Yes, I do, on my phone. It's a mattress recycling place. I just want a bed to 460 00:27:18,650 --> 00:27:22,630 sleep on that isn't stained with 20 years of broken dreams. 461 00:27:23,710 --> 00:27:25,310 So, vultures. 462 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,720 I'm her scapegoat. I've realized this. Like, she always has had... It has to 463 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,160 have someone to be mad at and to point the blame, but I genuinely am concerned 464 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,160 for her. 465 00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:06,160 I'm worried that she really did black out. I've told you many times in 466 00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:09,040 like, it reminds me of what my dad was like. 467 00:28:09,340 --> 00:28:10,600 It's got to be so triggering. 468 00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:11,679 It is. 469 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,000 When someone blacks out, from my experience, it's usually a mix of 470 00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:22,120 drugs, or a bad combination of prescriptions that you shouldn't have. 471 00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:23,940 So by Meredith not taking accountability. 472 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,060 That's another trigger for me of dealing with addicts in my life. Like, my 473 00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:29,880 father for years never had a problem. 474 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:35,120 And it just sucks because I was fully planning on talking to Meredith and 475 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:39,900 telling her my concerns for her as her friend. I would have never, ever told 476 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,720 Bronwyn what I experienced on the plane had I known that little coward would run 477 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,880 straight to her like a venomous, hungry snake. 478 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,840 I like your outfit. I like her. I feel pretty. 479 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:10,800 Thanks. 480 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,120 Perfect. 481 00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:21,880 I'm still recovering from what happened to me on the plane ride. I'm still very 482 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:27,180 raw. But it did give me clarity on what I need to focus on right now. And that 483 00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:28,840 is reconnecting with Olivia. 484 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,200 Brittany? Hi. 485 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,620 Welcome to Purple Sky. I'm Ashley. We need some professional help. 486 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,660 Why don't you share with me kind of what brings the two of you here today? 487 00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:44,880 Do you want to go ahead? Do you want me to go or do you want to go? 488 00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:48,920 I mean, I don't even know where to begin. That's the problem. 489 00:29:49,340 --> 00:29:53,900 Things were good until she divorced my dad. 490 00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:57,020 Okay. And that's fine. That had its own hardships. 491 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,140 But she did get married fairly quickly. 492 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,640 He was kind of her whole world. 493 00:30:05,770 --> 00:30:11,230 We weren't her priority. We weren't even close to being her priority. When she 494 00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:18,190 married her second husband, she honestly became more of a mom to my new 495 00:30:18,190 --> 00:30:22,830 step -siblings than to me and my sister because she wanted her husband to 496 00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:26,630 appreciate her more, love her more. 497 00:30:27,370 --> 00:30:32,310 And I moved out of my mom's house to live with my dad. We didn't talk for a 498 00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:33,730 while. 499 00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:40,190 From my perspective, it was seven years of her neglecting her children. 500 00:30:40,810 --> 00:30:45,590 She put all of her time and attention into her new stepkids. 501 00:30:45,790 --> 00:30:52,550 Like, she would celebrate their wins, but then not ours, and just kind of 502 00:30:52,550 --> 00:30:54,170 left my sister and I. 503 00:30:55,050 --> 00:30:56,770 I feel like we have a connection. 504 00:30:57,190 --> 00:31:03,270 And so even though, like, you haven't done and made the best decisions, 505 00:31:04,110 --> 00:31:07,890 I still find myself wanting a relationship with you. 506 00:31:08,290 --> 00:31:15,190 Yeah. But my brain's telling me that I'm going to get hurt more than I'm going 507 00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:16,490 to get any love out of it. 508 00:31:17,050 --> 00:31:20,150 I wish there was some way to tell her that I've learned, that I've grown. 509 00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:24,490 And maybe that's why I want to understand why I did that, because I 510 00:31:24,490 --> 00:31:29,750 like I would ever do that again. I would never, ever, ever allow myself to be 511 00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:32,890 put in the cage where I can't be a mom to my kids. 512 00:31:34,090 --> 00:31:36,570 Well, I mean, I think what the two of you are describing, right, is like a 513 00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:38,690 really good representation of trauma. 514 00:31:39,270 --> 00:31:43,130 That's what it is, right? It's this realization of even if it's different 515 00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:46,410 time, it feels the same even if it's not. 516 00:31:46,750 --> 00:31:50,650 Yeah. So if you could tell me, like, what is the number one goal for you in 517 00:31:50,650 --> 00:31:52,490 coming and working on your relationship, what would it be? 518 00:31:53,970 --> 00:31:55,070 I don't want anything. 519 00:31:55,270 --> 00:31:59,110 For me, I just want you to have what you need for you to move on. 520 00:31:59,450 --> 00:32:00,830 But that's not how family therapy works. 521 00:32:01,210 --> 00:32:02,410 Like, you get things too. 522 00:32:04,750 --> 00:32:08,490 Like you're just deserving as her to like move on and heal from what happened 523 00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:09,449 your relationship. 524 00:32:09,450 --> 00:32:11,330 I just don't feel like I am. 525 00:32:12,670 --> 00:32:14,510 I don't feel like I'm worthy of anything. 526 00:32:15,850 --> 00:32:22,590 For some reason, I feel the same way. What? Like I feel like I lived 527 00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:28,750 so many years thinking that I wasn't lovable. And I feel like I often 528 00:32:28,750 --> 00:32:34,030 with that. And so like letting people get close is hard. And I just feel like. 529 00:32:35,660 --> 00:32:38,380 The second they get to know me, they're just going to leave again. 530 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,700 That's heartbreaking because she has so much to give, and if I had only made 531 00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:50,680 different choices, my kids wouldn't have any of this trauma. 532 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,580 I really appreciate taking accountability that way. 533 00:32:54,980 --> 00:32:59,060 Obviously the goal is to rebuild the relationship together, but I'm curious, 534 00:32:59,060 --> 00:33:00,420 you think you have forgiven yourself? 535 00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:02,660 No, I haven't at all. 536 00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:04,060 I can't yet. 537 00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:11,170 I can't even, like, begin to describe, like, the remorse and the self -loathing 538 00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:12,170 I feel. 539 00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:15,010 What's it like for you to hear your mom say that, like, she doesn't forgive 540 00:33:15,010 --> 00:33:16,010 herself? 541 00:33:16,670 --> 00:33:23,230 Weirdly enough, it feels kind of, like, reassuring to hear that she does 542 00:33:23,230 --> 00:33:29,090 realize that what she did was wrong. Because I feel like you're... 543 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,200 My response to a lot of things is to shove it under the rug and act like 544 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,480 everything's perfect and we're a perfect family and we have a perfect 545 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:44,380 relationship. To hear her take accountability actually makes me feel 546 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,560 I just appreciate you wanting to give me a chance. 547 00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:52,360 It means the world to me. 548 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,920 Okay, do you get it now? 549 00:34:08,940 --> 00:34:10,000 Bonsai, buy me? 550 00:34:10,420 --> 00:34:13,520 I was trying to explain it to you, and I knew you were not understanding it. You 551 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,219 said you smelled it, but I didn't get it. Like, buy. 552 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,280 Hi. Hi, welcome in. How are you? 553 00:34:18,620 --> 00:34:22,780 I'm Bronwyn. Hi. This is my mom, Margie, and my daughter, Gwen. Hi, guys. 554 00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:23,859 Welcome in. 555 00:34:23,860 --> 00:34:25,679 This first part's a little tricky. 556 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,900 You've got to find the tree that really calls to you. 557 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,060 Bonsai's all about the beauty that you see in the tree. 558 00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:34,300 And once you've found your special treat, we'll meet you back at your table 559 00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:36,340 we'll make a really big mess. Okay, okay. 560 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,139 Are we all making a plant for your room? One for my chameleon and one for me. 561 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,060 First step, with your chopsticks, open up the root base. How loose does it need 562 00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:45,179 to be? Hers feels pretty loose. 563 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,159 I'm not a very zen person. 564 00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:49,900 Should we have a conversation with her? 565 00:34:50,219 --> 00:34:53,940 You're done. But with everything that's going on with my parents and then Todd, 566 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,420 and after Mary's lunch. 567 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,520 I need some zen in my life. 568 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,860 I probably shouldn't have worn Valentino to sit here and do it. 569 00:35:01,620 --> 00:35:04,900 So I'm hoping that these bonsai trees are little miracle workers. 570 00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:08,860 How many chameleons do you think it could handle? She's talking about 571 00:35:08,860 --> 00:35:09,960 her chameleon now. 572 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,220 No, I don't want to breed him. He's been looking for a mate. 573 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,180 He has been. How do you know he's looking for a mate? Sticks his penis out 574 00:35:18,180 --> 00:35:19,180 walks around. 575 00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:24,620 So I'm thinking I'm going to post something somewhere of being like, Are 576 00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:27,700 any female chameleons in the area? And set him, like, a little date. 577 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,960 So he can just get it out of his system. 578 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,640 I think you should do that. I think I should. But it's not here. Okay, so 579 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,038 is it? 580 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,040 Portland. 581 00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:42,460 What are you going to do in Portland? 582 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,280 I don't know. I just think it's a cool place. 583 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,820 Like, you told me you didn't want to go to BYU and you wish you could have gone 584 00:35:48,820 --> 00:35:51,840 to New York and done the things you wanted to do and, like, have a new 585 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,120 experience. Yeah. 586 00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:57,250 So, like, I have to have a new experience. I have to figure it out for 587 00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:59,090 too. You can't just stay in the same spot. 588 00:35:59,930 --> 00:36:00,908 Wise woman. 589 00:36:00,910 --> 00:36:03,030 I really have never been alone. 590 00:36:03,810 --> 00:36:07,750 I literally went from my parents' house to a very short stint at college and 591 00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:08,509 then Gwen. 592 00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:11,630 I think it's long past time that I was an adult by myself. 593 00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:15,710 But Gwen's just more excited about spreading her wings in that way than I 594 00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:17,630 Muddy, you're staying with me forever. 595 00:36:18,130 --> 00:36:23,230 No, I'm not ready to peace out on you guys because I need... 596 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,520 I need some time, but I need to find my own space. 597 00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:29,220 Is it Todd? Did Todd upset you? Because I can get rid of him. 598 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,740 I want to see that. I think Todd's going to get rid of you. 599 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,460 By all means, don't tempt me with a good time, okay? 600 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,160 Honestly, I know you're laughing, but it's really uncool that the two of you 601 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,180 have planned this at the same time to do this. He can come visit me. Dessert me. 602 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,800 I brought you here to make bonsai trees. 603 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,060 Why does that hurt your feelings? No one says that they hate you. They're just 604 00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:54,220 saying that you have to, like, experience new things. 605 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:58,100 Okay. You're not wrong. It's just hard. 606 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,720 And I don't want to leave you. She thinks all the best days of her life are 607 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,940 still ahead of her, and these were the best days of my life was her being with 608 00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:06,919 me. 609 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,740 It's not that I don't want you guys. I want you to be comfortable, and I want 610 00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:13,580 her to go do all the things she wants to do and try all the things she wants to 611 00:37:13,580 --> 00:37:14,439 do. 612 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,480 But I do feel like I'm being left behind. 613 00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:24,800 I have really put so much into showing up for my mom when she was sick, showing 614 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,780 up for her when she needed help with my dad. 615 00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:30,520 And I feel like we've just gotten to a good place and I kind of settled into a 616 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,020 routine and we can be giggly. 617 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,380 How many times are people going to accuse Todd of cheating on me before I 618 00:37:36,380 --> 00:37:38,280 need somebody to tell me what's going on here? 619 00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:41,120 It's like Lucille Ball. You've got some splating to do. 620 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,900 Do you want to try blowing out your candle? 621 00:37:46,060 --> 00:37:47,320 Oh, Muzzy did it for you. 622 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,500 Muzzy's such a sneak. She did it for you, huh? 623 00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:51,460 We're having these nice moments. 624 00:37:52,580 --> 00:37:56,060 I just kind of feel like the progress that we've just made, it's like slipping 625 00:37:56,060 --> 00:37:57,480 through my fingers if she moves out. 626 00:37:58,220 --> 00:38:03,360 When you were coming back and forth from San Francisco to Utah on the weekend, I 627 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,860 knew that someday you'd be moving. 628 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,160 And it was hard. 629 00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:14,830 You know it was hard, so don't do it to me. You know what I mean? 630 00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:16,870 Yeah. Oh, my gosh. 631 00:38:17,580 --> 00:38:19,600 I'm just working on my bonsai. I know, you're on it. 632 00:38:21,460 --> 00:38:22,600 They're playing. We're done. 633 00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:25,380 I feel like I'm going to Tonya Harding both of you. I'm going to break both of 634 00:38:25,380 --> 00:38:28,700 you's legs. And then when the two of you are like, oh, we can't take care of 635 00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:30,880 ourselves. We have to stay here. I'll be like, shocking news. 636 00:38:31,180 --> 00:38:34,560 Muzzy wants to bring her secret boyfriend over. I swear to God, if that 637 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,300 problem, I would be so happy. Muzzy already told me about it. 638 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,600 Boyfriend, I have a husband. What do you mean? 639 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:42,180 I would so support this for Muzzy. 640 00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:44,640 Muzzy, do it. 641 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:45,880 No, thank you. 642 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,218 Hi, Brittany. 643 00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:11,220 Hi. 644 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,760 Meredith reached out to me and asked me to meet up with her. I want to hear if 645 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:23,480 she's willing to own any of what happened. If she's willing to give me 646 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,580 of apology, I'm more than willing to own my part of it. 647 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,120 Thank you for coming here today. Yeah, it's really pretty. 648 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,760 I wanted you to come today because I wanted to talk to you face to face. 649 00:39:39,820 --> 00:39:45,380 I want to tell you that I am sorry that you heard me talking to Lisa on the 650 00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:46,380 plane. 651 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,320 And that it was definitely the wrong place, the wrong time. 652 00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:55,760 And I feel terribly that I hurt your feelings. 653 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,940 I don't want to do that. 654 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,360 So I'm sorry for that. 655 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,000 You know, I try to treat people with kindness and respect. 656 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:17,400 And I don't feel like it's been an easy path for us. You 657 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,680 know, I think it's been a little bit difficult. And so I'm hopeful that we 658 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,540 move forward and, you know, at a bare minimum, treat each other with kindness 659 00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:27,540 and respect. 660 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,480 Yeah. 661 00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:36,860 Thank you. Thank you for that apology. That means a lot. 662 00:40:37,370 --> 00:40:41,810 I still feel hurt and traumatized, but I've been thinking a lot about 663 00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:46,170 forgiveness lately. I've been asking for forgiveness in my own life. So I'm 664 00:40:46,170 --> 00:40:50,090 choosing for myself to forgive Meredith for what she did. 665 00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:55,250 I mean, I'm not aware of the intricacies and the nuances of your relationship. 666 00:40:57,330 --> 00:41:04,310 And I think it was really, it was a shady thing to do, to 667 00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:05,310 bring it up to TikTok. 668 00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:11,590 And I realized that it was a trigger for you. 669 00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:18,170 And I'm sorry. To be clear, the real trigger was that you came in under the 670 00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:21,030 premise that you were trying to help me when you were trying to hurt me. 671 00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:22,270 Yeah, you're right. 672 00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:28,630 So I appreciate you being honest about that. That actually means a lot. I 673 00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:29,589 expect that. 674 00:41:29,590 --> 00:41:30,590 You're welcome. 675 00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:33,410 I apologize that her feelings were hurt. 676 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,960 She apologized for intentionally hurting me with the TikTok, so I'll take that 677 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,060 and move on in peace. 678 00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:47,080 It's hard to have such contention because everyone's been really torn this 679 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,440 week, and it's been a big deal, and I don't want it to be a thing anymore. 680 00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:53,160 I completely agree. 681 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,520 I don't know if we'll ever get there, but I think this... 682 00:41:58,350 --> 00:42:00,510 Civility. Right. Let's start the bar now. 683 00:42:01,070 --> 00:42:02,930 Civility is a good way to start. 684 00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:05,010 Baby steps. 685 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:07,490 Baby steps. Baby steps. Yeah. 686 00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:15,030 Next time on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. 687 00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:18,190 You think I can drive enough? You don't drive that well when you're not enough. 688 00:42:19,450 --> 00:42:23,190 I don't want to ever do business with my husband again. 689 00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:26,310 Bye. 690 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:27,920 You're a liar. 691 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:29,240 Alcoholic. 692 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,720 Pill popper. 693 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,420 Can I get more alcohol? 694 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,180 That's a shame that comes to this. 695 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,360 I brought everybody a gift. Multi -drug urine test cup.